Category: At Issue (page 7 of 14)

Bible Versions

I have done lots of reading about the different English versions of the Bible. There is much to be said, but I wish to keep this brief and fair. There are two categories of Bibles: 1) Literal and 2) Dynamic.

Literal = Word-for-word translation. Although accurate it may not flow well. Good for determining doctrine. When translating any language, meaningful flow is a problem.  Examples = King James, New King James (which changes only words from Old English to equal in meaning words of modern English), American Standard, New American Standard, Revised Standard.

Dynamic = Thought-for-thought (paraphrased). In other words, a sentence or paragraph is read, the main gist is determined, and then re-written in words that are easily understood by the targeted culture. It flows well and is easier to understand but lacks accuracy at times, therefore it is not good for determining doctrine. Examples = New International Version, New English, Phillips, Living Bible, Good News for Modern Man.

What should we use? There are many factors which go into the choice of which Bible you buy, including what your church uses, layout, and font size. Whatever translation your church uses is another factor, since it is often a good idea to get a copy of whatever translation they use in order to make group study easier. If you want a study Bible rather than an easy reading one, make sure it has a good concordance. This is a list of key words and their locations throughout Scripture so you can find verses quickly. Cross-references are a must as well. These are small-cased letters next to key words or phrases telling you where to find a similar passage or word in the Bible. Bible dictionaries also come in handy for study because they list people, places, and things, and tell you relevant information about them from the Bible and history.

Because of the manner in which the King James Version was translated and put together, many believe it is the most accurate. Some disagree. For information on the impressive formation of the KJV, go to

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/dr_fuller-versions.htm

I started with the Living Bible as a new believer, but as time went on, I needed something closer to the Hebrew and Greek. Today, I use a couple of literal types and once in a while use the Living Bible. Sometimes it has helped but other times I did not agree with author Ken Taylor’s choice of words. I think it is important that we use a version that helps us understand and motivates us to read. Anytime there is a question about the meaning of a verse or a single word, I always go with the KJV.

The Roman Catholic Church used to have only one official Bible – the Douay-Rheims Translation. Today, however, there are a variety of other versions sanctioned by that church. The major difference is the “apocryphal books” which are contained between the Old and New Testaments. They were added by the Catholic Church in the mid 1500s, but were rejected by the Protestant Reformation movement because they believed those books were not inspired by God. If you would like to see those reasons, go to

http://carm.org/why-apocrypha-not-in-bible

There is one Bible that I cannot recommend reading: The New World Translation (I’ve only seen it in green color). This is the Jehovah’s Witness Bible. Their “Greek scholars” were bogus and they changed key words to fit their pet doctrines. For example, John 1:1 states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Theirs is changed to, “…and the Word was a god” because they deny that Christ is God in the flesh. They believe He was Michael the archangel in the flesh and therefore is a created angel lower than God. After talking with them, they have no good explanation concerning the first chapter in Hebrews that reveals their error.

Another version I have a major problem with is the Scofield Bible because it was translated by a staunch dispensationalist Cyrus Scofield and he allows his biased view of End-time prophecies cloud his decisions. For example, the phrase “the great tribulation” never appears in the King James Version. What does appear are the phrases “great tribulation” in Matthew 24:21, “immediately after that tribulation in those days in Matthew 24:29 (most likely referring to the destruction in 70 AD), and “in those days after that tribulation” in Mark 13:24 (again 70 AD). One obvious unfair move by Scofield is found in Revelation 7:14 where the KJV states, “they that came out of great tribulation” which leads me to interpret as referring to souls over the centuries who had it especially tough, not just one little group that will exist just prior to the Second Coming. True to his dispensational bias, Scofield inserted the word “the” before “great tribulation” which signifies that this versed is singling out that one group of people that somehow is going to have it worse than any other group of believers, which makes no sense when we consider what horrors many Christians from different time periods have experienced throughout the Church Age. The bottom line point here is that the concept of one, special great tribulation that has a great special reward for those who go through it is a myth. The Bible never teaches this. When the Scofield Reference Bible was published in 1909, it unfortunately quickly became the most influential statement of dispensational premillennialism. Scofield’s notes teach futurism and dispensationalism, a theology that was systematized in the early nineteenth century by the Anglo-Irish clergyman John Nelson Darby, whose attitude toward thinking he was right bothers me. I say “unfortunately, because this teaching has snuffed out other valid views of End-Time interpretation. All should be taught allowing individuals to believe as they wish (without leading to division within the Church).

A more recent version, The New Living Translation (NLT), has some Christians objecting because they perceive a liberal, politically correct approach to interpreting. Other believers have told me that they like the NLT. The following list will give you an idea of what this involves:

Gender inclusive language (God is not a “He” for just one example).
Downplaying the existence of Hell and God’s judgment.
Downplaying the deity of Jesus.
Downplaying the power of the Holy Spirit.
Denying the prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus.
Downplaying the sin of homosexuality.
Downplaying the differences between men and women.
Pro-abortion slant (“with child” is changed to “pregnant” for example).

I’ve been taught that there was a lot of prayer and fasting to determine correct translation by several devoted scholars when questions arose when forming the KJV that came out in 1611. After each time they prayed, they would agree in a certain decision. I have no idea how The NLT was formed. Was there much prayer/fasting to seek God’s Truth? How about the quality of Greek and Hebrew scholarship? What degree of reverence did the people have toward the Bible in general? If man’s reasoning alone dictated changes in the Bible, I tend not to trust that wisdom. One should not simply “mess” with the Word of God.

In summary: Ideally, all people should know Hebrew and Greek fluently and read the Bible in those languages. Realistically, this isn’t going to happen and God knows it. Therefore, for lay people most versions work just fine. The Holy Spirit is fully capable of revealing what you need to know. I recommend, however, the use of at least one literal type and at least one dynamic type. I often use “The New Layman’s Parallel Bible” which offers four versions in one book with the KJV used as the base. Each page has each version side by side for easy reference. For those who want more or those who prepare teachings, they should use a good Bible commentary or two (but try to find one that shares various viewpoints rather than from one viewpoint). There are dispensationalists (premillenialists), amillennialists, pre-tribulation rapture folks, post-tribulation rapture folks, old-earth creationists (progressive creationists), and young-earth creationists, Calvinists, and others. The point is, these viewpoints (do I dare say biases?) can influence commentary. They certainly sway translators, but that is another AT ISSUE.

I hope this essay was clear and helps people decide on what version(s) to use. It’s always good to seek the Lord on matters such as this. Remember, this was not an in-depth report on this subject, but rather a brief overview of key points.

Feedback So Far:

Raj – I have to disagree on your comments about the NLT version. The first bible I ever read was an NLT and have since bought a NLT study bible. I never felt the NLT downplay anything or even deny as you have listed. I would like you to prove it. Now I do find “the message” bible version to be like your description of the NLT. I do agree with the use of multiple bibles.

Dave – After doing some more research, I may agree somewhat with your disagreement. I now do not think the NLT does all those things that I accused it of doing. I also see your point about “The Message.” However, versions like NLT and others may be the beginning of a slippery slope to PC-ness. Here’s a portion of what I did find online:

Gender-Neutralism and Egalitarianism.

In line with the recent trend in Bible and book publishing, the NLT carefully avoids the use of “male-oriented” language. In Bible translations this involves a suppression of the male-oriented language in the original text by means of various circumlocutions and paraphrases. We may suppose that in the NLT this was done in a late editorial stage of the version’s production, because it is evident from the press release quoted above that it was done without the cooperation or approval of some of the scholars who worked on the version. Bergen, at least, did not agree with the use of gender-neutral language:

Bergen noted that in the Hebrew society, men were dominant, thus biblical writers employed male language. In Bergen’s translation of the book of Exodus, he retained the original language. “I’m not going to recreate ancient Israel into a sexless society,” he said.

Nevertheless, the finished product was made to be thoroughly genderless by Tyndale House editors. They seem not to have paid any attention to the Hebrew and Greek texts in this editing, because early printings of the New Living Translation gave unisex renderings for the Greek word ανηρ (which corresponds to the English word “male”), as in Acts 1:21, “So now we must choose someone else to take Judas’ place.” In later printings this particular blunder was corrected to read, “So now we must choose another man to take Judas’ place.”

The preface of the NLT is less than frank about the reasons for this gender-neutral language. It claims that this style is necessary “to make the translation clear to a modern audience that tends to read male-oriented language as applying only to males” and that it is “driven by the concern to reflect accurately the intended meaning of the original texts.” As one example of the style it cites Proverbs 22:6, “Train up a child in the way he should go,” which in the NLT reads, “Teach your children to choose the right path.” But it is hard to see how the literal rendering here (or anywhere) could possibly be misunderstood as applying exclusively to males. Who would ever interpret “train up a child in the way he should go” as if the instruction were only for boys? The fact is, most people have no trouble at all with generic masculine pronouns. The gender-neutral language policy is not driven by any legitimate requirement of “dynamically equivalent” accuracy or by any desire to help people understand the text. It is driven by the usual desire of commercial publishers to avoid offending feminist sensibilities.

In connection with this we notice that in the “Tyndale Bible Verse Finder,” included in most editions of the NLT, the editors have carefully avoided the subject of womanly submission, despite the fact that this is a “hot topic” and highly interesting to most of the people who will be using such a topical index. We would expect to find under a suitable heading references to the pertinent verses, such as 1 Corinthians 11:3-16, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, Ephesians 5:22-24, Colossians 3:18, 1 Timothy 2:11-15, and 1 Peter 3:1-6. But under the headings “Family,” “Marriage,” and “Women” there is no mention of this topic at all, and under the heading “Submission” we read, “Marriage calls for mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21-33).”

While the above paragraph makes clear that the NLT’s actual verses about women submitting are maintained, the add-on called the “Tyndale Verse Finder” did NOT contain those important verses that do indicate that a husband has authority over his wife and that women should not have authority over men in the church. Again, the spirit behind some of these modern translations may be off and the plan is to pervert the Word slowly. My point is, let’s all keep up our awareness to this possibility.

As I stated above, these are the areas we need to be alert about to make sure these are not “tweaked” by modern folks who think they know better:

Gender inclusive language (God is not a “He” for just one example).
Downplaying the existence of Hell and God’s judgment.
Downplaying the deity of Jesus.
Downplaying the power of the Holy Spirit.
Denying the prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus.
Downplaying the sin of homosexuality.
Downplaying the differences between men and women.
Pro-abortion view (“with child” is changed to “pregnant” for example).

Blessings in Him,

Dave

Can a Christian Lose Salvation?

Solid Christians are on both sides of this issue. Historically, John Calvin (1509-1564), believed that you cannot lose it. Jacobus Arminius (1560-1609) disagreed and believed that one can lose salvation. My opinion? Not sure, but if we can lose it, it must be rare because God does not let go of His kids easily (if at all). The upside of believing in eternal security is that blessed assurance (peace of mind). The downside is there may be a greater tendency to sin and/or to develop a lack of motivation to serve Jesus. The upside in believing in conditional salvation is developing an attitude of being careful how one lives, while the downside is perhaps drawing wrong conclusions about individual souls and giving up on them.

Scriptures that lead one to believe in eternal security:

Ephesians 1:13-14: “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.”

John 10:28-29: “And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.”

Others include: 2 Corinthians 5:5; John 6:37,39; Romans 8:28-29; 2 Timothy 2:19.

Scriptures that lead one to believe salvation can be lost:

Hebrews 6:4-6: “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.”

Hebrews 10:26: “For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins….”*

Others include: Matthew 5:13; John 15:6; 2 Peter 2:20-22; Matthew 7:21-22; Matthew 12:31-32; 2 Peter 1:10.

*Comment on Heb. 10:26: Since we believers know the truth, we usually know full well what the sin is that we are about to commit. I know for a fact that every believer has sinned willingly. We knew before we did it that is was wrong, yet we still wanted to do it and we did it. This is sinning willfully. Therefore, taking Hebrews 10:6 at face value, all Christians have lost salvation, but we know that this is not true. So, we must look at this verse with a different perspective. Perhaps it simply means if we hear the truth and continue to reject it, there is no covering for the person’s sins. Or, that it refers to people who have heard the Truth but refused to admit that something is sinful, and they continue to do it without any remorse, regret, or regard for God and what He says. A third possibility is that a Christian can expect nothing but God’s judgment for that sin, since they haven’t brought it to the cross, in fact, have RESISTED the cross.

What about believers repeating the same sins? I think Paul covered this well in Romans 7:14-8:1.

In Summary: Those who believe the Bible teaches “once saved always saved” can assert that anyone who falls away was never saved to begin with. This, of course is something that can never be proved, but that does not eliminate it from the possibility that it is true. The important point that people may miss in this debate is that if/when a believer sins repeatedly or once in a while, that if they are repentant and still desire to follow Jesus, then they must be in good standing with God since it is He that GRANTS repentance (Romans 2:4, 2 Cor. 7:9, 2 Tim. 2:25). If a person has truly lost salvation, their lifestyle would most likely reflect that. The grace and mercy and longsuffering patience of God goes longer and deeper than most fallen humans think. Therefore, I think it would be a bit presumptuous to conclude that a certain believer has crossed some line with God and now has lost salvation. Though I have not answered this difficult question, perhaps the emphasis should be on not judging others and being content that as long as we care about being in His will, that we are in still the palm of His hand.

Another question I have is “Just what difference does knowing the answer to this question really make?” No matter which one is true, all believers need to love Him, tell others about Him, and live righteously. Anyone can do these things without knowing the truth about this issue. Furthermore, anyone from any viewpoint should and can also do these things. This issue seems to me to be more of a divisive issue among believers rather than something that inspires us to do right. If we know someone who claims to be a believer and is not living properly, all we can do is pray and help them change using Biblical guidelines. We will not know for a fact whether or not they have lost salvation, so whether we are a Calvinist or an Arminian, we should react the same…so what real difference do these doctrines make??


Feedback:

Anon #1: My husband and I have always disagreed about this issue–he believes in eternal security, I believe we have free will and can choose to turn our backs on God and throw His gift back in His face. Admittedly, it only matters if you fall away–which our daughter has now done. She ‘believes’ there is no God at all, and the times in her youth when she heard from Him were all in her head/psychological wishful thinking. So I am in agony wondering what will happen if anything happens to her before she repents and returns. It may be less emotionally painful to believe eternally secure, but I would have to KNOW, and I don’t. Honestly, it feels like she died and this nice young woman who I don’t really know well took her place. I still grieve her loss. It’s painful. God has given me some verses in Jeremiah that lead me to believe she will return, and I cling to them when I start to worry too much, but it’s not easy. My husband doesn’t see it quite the same, though I think he would agree that this “new daughter” is not our old one. A book that I am copying for our pastor at work (I’m the church secretary) teaches you can lose it, and I am a sobbing wreck by the time I finish a paragraph, as it describes our daughter to a T. Some things I wish we could really know before we die…

Dave: I know exactly what you are experiencing. But one thing I’ve had the Lord tell me recently is that Christian authors, though most mean well, are NOT the Word of God. The Word of God is not clear on this topic. Therefore, I conclude that we cannot know, and therefore our role is to trust Him. How can any human judge correctly that another human has just stepped over that invisible line (if it exists for believers) where God will not take them back? With all due respect to your pastor, do not let a book written by a fallible human plummet your faith in God’s mercy and faithfulness. I am convinced that His mercy goes farther and deeper than any human thinks.

Over the 44 years of knowing Christ, I have heard hundreds of testimonies of people falling completely away from the faith only to return later (and they went FAR away). In the meantime, praying and fasting for important outcomes always helps. If your faith wavers on this situation, just simply be honest with our Abba Father and tell Him about that, and ask Him to help you trust and believe. This is every believer’s battle. God has blessed you with a fantastic mother’s heart, so be encouraged in Him.


Anon #2: Whether or not a Christian can lose his salvation hits home at a very personal level regarding my wife’s sister whom you’ve known for years. She and her son moved from the Rochester area a few years ago and began attending my church. They were both baptized, became members and were active in the church. The son graduated from one of the finest Christian schools and began to attend a Christian college. Then he announced to the family he was gay and had been living a secret lifestyle for years. As you can imagine this was a shock to everyone and what happened later became even worse. After one of our pastors counseled his mom (our church regularly counsels gender confused teens), she left the church, walked out of her executive job, moved to another city and completely supports her son’s gay lifestyle. Worse, most of her family supports her and her son, and believe homosexuality is something he was born with and consider him still a Christian.

I had no other choice but to lovingly confront the family about the sin of homosexuality assuring them God loved him just as much as He loves me and wants the best for everyone, but also made it clear in Scripture that homosexuality is a sin and separates one from God just as any other sexual sin like adultery and sleeping around. I gave the best counsel I could drawing from a Christian book (Sex and the iWorld-Khune) regarding homosexuality. Since then the family has made distance from me and his mom refuses any more contact.

I have never seen so much turmoil in a family, but what bothered me the most was the compromise and abandonment of the Christian faith by those who call themselves Christian. Perhaps what I have written here can also lead to some more questions in your study. Any Biblical counsel would be most appreciated at this end.

Dave: Wow, sad news…but not beyond the reach of our heavenly Father. You did well to share truth in love with your wife’s sister. The best Christian ministry for gays is L.I.F.E. Ministry in NYC. You can find it on-line. I encourage you to contact them and they can help. It is run by ex-gay Joanne Highly who married ex-gay Ron Highly many years ago. Ron has died, but Joanne is still doing a great job at the helm. Their insights into homosexuality such as its causes and effects go beyond all other Christian info I’ve ever seen. LIFE = Living In Freedom Eternally.

That sudden abandonment of the “Christian faith” stems from them never bonding to God’s Word, and, perhaps, God is using this controversy to expose this (and hopefully repair it). At present, I cannot pronounce any of these people as “non-Christians” or ones who have lost salvation. They are in danger, however.

I can understand the mom’s reaction (note to readers: I know her personally). After experiencing a horrible dad (years of sexual abuse), then losing a husband to divorce, she seemed to pour all of her love into her son. Her son was her light and joy in her rough life. It was her and him against this cruel world and they survived. Her son probably gave her a sense of purpose and meaning to her life. Then to see him being “attacked and condemned” (from her perspective), she predictably ran to his defense and away from Christians. She needs counsel to unravel her past. At this point, I am not sure what role you can play other than praying and seeking help from LIFE since she won’t talk with you.

I reject any notion that someone is born gay. The media slants reports to convince people that science has proven this. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many gay men have had poor father figures in their life – neglect, abuse, lack of closeness. I’m not saying this is THE cause, but it probably contributes to it from the environmental category of thought (as opposed to the genetic theory). I would guess that the son was not close with his dad, and that his mom doted much on him. It is reasonable to assume that he has had a longing in his heart to be close to a male figure. All this, of course is speculation by me, a non-expert in this field. And I do not mean to blame the mom at all. Her love toward her son is most understandable, even commendable. Both of them may need special prayer to rid themselves of demonic oppressions – in God’s timing, however. Hope this will help in a most difficult and sad situation. I will pray as well.

Anon #2: Thanks for your good counsel Dave, I will visit the sites you mentioned. I believe you are right about her going through so much and in her relationship with her son. I do keep them in prayer and hope someday to make things right between us. Sometimes I wish I had not been so direct with her, but she was so fixed on his gay lifestyle as being OK she had really influenced the family to question their beliefs and side with her. God will have to take hold of this one for sure to make a difference.


Linda P (10/21/13) – I was introduced to Christ by Dave Scheer as a a sophomore in high school. I believed. I was the seed that fell on the rock. I grew quickly, then withered. It took me 40 years of being lost in the desert before I finally looked up again. I was baptized in July 2010. I am a disciple, a work in progress. I am learning, and praying, and living and sharing my faith. I sure hope that those of us that haven fallen away and come home aren’t lost to the Kingdom. I believe we are not. God used all the bad boys and girls to prove a point, as far as I’m concerned.

If we choose to sin rather than take the high road, we lose out in many ways, but can we still be saved? End up in the same heaven as one who is, say, heterosexual but cheats on their spouse? abuses their babysitter? secretly lusts for their sister-in-law? has been married and divorced 3 times? and on and on…

I know sexual sin is a bad one, but sin is sin. I believe God looks at our hearts more than our actions and measures out rewards accordingly.

Quite frankly, as long as I get there and can drag some with me, I don’t care where I land in the pecking order!

My daughter is 25 next month. She learned to live a secular life from me. I never gave her a solid foundation in Christianity. As least yours has been there and will most likely return. Take comfort in knowing that. I am at fault for my daughter’s lack of faith. You are not.

Dave to Linda – Thanks for the feedback and insights. About your daughter, while it would have been better that your life was a Christian example for your daughter’s formative years, it is not your fault if she never repents and gets saved. Many believers had non-Christian parents but still found the need to repent and believe. With or without you, your daughter needs to realize her spiritual need. So do not be too hard on yourself. And, don’t forget that she has seen that great change in you and I’m sure she knows your “sea shell” story! She must know that you are better today than during your backslidden years. You are a fantastic witness to her now.

We walk by faith not sight, and live by grace not human effort. Romans 8:1 is always a great reminder when we look down on ourselves.

Linda to Dave – And thank you for your feedback. I know it’s not my fault that my daughter is my clone, and we all have to come to our own realization of where we stand with God. I also know she does see a change, and she is a typical, 25 year-old, secular, materialistic female who looks at it like she has all kinds of time to be good, she’s going to be bad while she’s young and free.

As my elderly friend says, “Stop worrying about your daughter. You said she’s just like you, and YOU came around! She will, too!” Then she said, “And don’t preach to her or you’ll just alienate her! Pray and set a good example. That’s all you can do. Someone else will bring her to Christ. God hears praying mothers.”

Christianized Chain Letters in Cyberspace

The Bible does not deal directly with chain letters, even those containing Scriptural messages. We therefore need to apply Biblical verses and principles to this issue. We must also seek God to discern if there is an errant spirit behind the scene that is working against believers. Remember, Satan spoke even through Peter at one point when Peter thought was he was trying to help Jesus see the danger in entering Jerusalem (Matthew 16:23). The spiritual realm can be tricky for us mortals, so we must depend on God to show us things.

Scriptures that I believe apply to this issue are:

  1. “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” – 2 Timothy 1:7
  2. “So that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.” 2 Corinthians 2:11
  3. “Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.” – Genesis 3:1
  4. “No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” – 2 Corinthians 11:14
  5. “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.” – 2 Timothy 3:16

All chain letters are subtly focused on self. Their challenge is: IF you love God, THEN you must do this so YOU can get something out of it. If I don’t send it to 10 others, does this mean I don’t love God? Will I be in serious disobedience to His command? Enter fear and doubt, although usually subtly. Actually, the discerning question is: Is this HIS command?

The problem is that these things can create a fear within us. It says, “If you do not obey this directive, then God will be displeased with you.” Now we’ve opened ourselves up to superstition. Furthermore, in the words of my Pastor Mark DuPre, chain letters “bring false guilt and condemnation, and there is a spirit of control behind them that works with the fear of the recipient. All that distorts the character of God and the grace of the gospel.”

When I throw away chain letters without responding to their commands, I feel confident in God that I am in good standing by His grace and mercy toward me, and all I need to do to be anointed in affecting others in a good way is to seek His face in prayer, and believe in His Word. Now I am sure some Christians pass chain letters along because they just like the contents, and no fear/superstition is a part of it. They may think my view is too judgmental. I can understand were they are coming from. But this attitude seems not to think of how others might be affected. So if you wish to send the contents along to others, at least delete the command to pass it on to 10 others in order to get some kind of blessing from God. Then you will not be a stumbling block to someone else (you have eliminated the fear and selfish factors). In other words, “chew the meat and spit out the bones” with this whole issue.

Regarding the number of people to contact, if God was orchestrating these messages, He would not demand the same number of forwardings every time. There is nothing holy or anointed with the number 10. My advice? If you want to bless someone else, just do it apart from chain letter commands. The bottom line is, that under the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, we do not give to get.

Love in Christ,

Dave

P.S. – Pass this on to 10 others so God can open the floodgates of heaven for you….just kiddin.’


Feedback:

AR: Thank you for your explanation and verses. I have been dealing with these in much the same way by deleting the chain portion and commands. If I feel there is a worthwhile message to some of them I simply suggest that it be shared with others who may appreciate the contents. Others I simply delete, knowing that God is in control, not me. God bless you all.

Dave: Thanks for your response. I always think it is so cool when two people, who never have been instructed on something, come up with the same feeling about whatever. It affirms that it is the same Holy Spirit teaching His kids.


CrL: Interesting topic idea, and I of course agree 110%. There is also a serious problem with misinformation. Agreeing with the overall point of the message (Christian theology, political position, whatever) never justifies forwarding something with wrong information, and it ends up seriously damaging the position anyway. For me personally, the problem is so bad that I actually assume the facts contain some significant inaccuracies (with respect to forwarded emails). Usually they simply do not interest me, but at times I use snopes.com or other sources to check information. I know that this was probably a bit outside of the scope – you might have been only referring to emails that say something in general (like a ‘nice’ message or something), but it reminded me of the above.

Dave: Thanks for your response. And I agree with your 110% (not sure what that extra 10% contains though). I thought about mentioning that “accuracy piece” but did not want to divert too much from the main topic, but your point is something that I would have stated as you have done.


G: LOL Amen, good job. I forwarded to 9 people.

Dave: Stinker.


Linda B – Much like political emails, I delete all chain letter stuff. I pass on what I am led to share, not what I’m ordered to share. Blessed day all. 🙂

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