Tag: Earth

Tragedy and God

Pat T – Are tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis being created by God?

Dave – The short answer is these things were not part of the original, pre-Fall creation. There was no death or dying process at the creation beginning. If these storms were part of the original design, then they would have killed some people.

The longer answer is based on a careful read of Genesis. God originally made a tranquil earth. There also was no mention of rain before The Flood. Genesis 2 tells us that there was a mist raising from the earth that watered vegetation.

There was also no mention of the four seasons until after Noah’s Flood. This would logically lead me to believe that the earth was not tilted at its present 23 degrees because this tilt causes the change of seasons rather than the distance from the sun during earth’s orbit around it. I assume the original earth was straight up and down in relation to the sun. Perhaps an ice meteor hit the earth and caused the tilt. The British astronomer George Dodwell (1879-1963) worked for the government of Australia and conducted some remarkable research concerning how the tilt of our earth came about. He notes that the earth was wobbling, and this was gradually decreasing. He knew that if a spinning toy top got hit with something, it too would generate a wobble that ebbs over time. Taking precise measurements, Dodwell concluded, based on the rate of wobble decrease, that our spinning earth must have been hit with a meteor about 4500 years ago. This would be about the time of Noah’s Flood.

Once sin came into being among the human race, many negative results went into action, some having affects many years later in human history.

God’s judgment during The Great Flood caused the crust to burst open around the entire world as the “springs of the great deep burst open” thus causing the plate tectonics that we can observe today. This in turn would cause our first earthquakes and perhaps the first volcanic eruptions, and we can’t have tsunamis without earthquakes. Hurricanes and tornadoes are caused by severe temperature and air pressure differences colliding. Again, the earth was quite tranquil pre-Flood. It most likely had a decent temperature worldwide. So these differences could not have been great enough to cause a storm before the Flood.

Rather than labeling these storms as “acts of God,” I would rather call them “results of a fallen world.”

Pat T – Thanks for the good info Dave, I agree 100% about no cataclysmic events before the Fall. I just
needed someone to help remind me it was man’s sin that messed things all up.


Nels F (7/26/13) – Always learning something new–thanks so much!!

How Old is the Earth/Universe?

A good Christian friend of mine named John casually mentioned that the earth/universe is billions of years old as part of a message on other info he sent me. So I commented on the age of the earth saying that many unprovable assumptions are at work here, and there is more that we do not know than what we know about matter, time, and creation history in scientific terms. For example, the speed of light used to be thought of as constant, but not now.

John’s Response – True, David. I’m working on the Vernon McGee assumption that there was an enormous period of time involved at the beginning of creation. His hypothesis is basically, that there was creation of the universe, some enormous cataclysm (probably connected with the fall of Satan), then the rest of creation. You can either agree, or not. It seems to be upheld because of… well, I’ll send it to you and let McGee explain it.

As I told you, I believe all parts of the Word are important, but God has not given me a consuming interest in the parts that don’t center on salvation (I’ll blame Him). He has obviously made that part important to you, perhaps partially so that you can teach me! : )

True also that “billions of years” cannot be proven. The flip side of that is that neither can it be disproven. That brings me to consider that really this argument about the length of time that passes in the course of “creation” is based on speculation from both directions. God wrote perhaps several hundred times more about the last 8 days of Christ’s life than he wrote about the creation of the universe. I take that as a significant clue that He prefers that we concentrate on salvation over speculation. I suppose I do throw in speculation, but I don’t insist that that speculation is right.

Vernon McGee (1904-1988) stated his old-earth views quite plainly: The first eleven chapters [of Genesis] cover a minimum time spans of two thousand years – actually, two thousand years plus. I feel that it is safe to say that they may cover several hundred thousand years. I believe this first section of Genesis can cover any time in the past that you may need to fit into your particular theory, and the chances are that you would come short of it even then.

Who created the universe? God did. He created it out of nothing. When? I don’t know, and nobody else knows. Some men say one billion years ago, some say two billion, and now some say five billion. I personally suspect they are all pikers. I think God created it long before that.

In the enclosed audio file, listen from 2:00 – 8:00 of file 01002. McGee thinks that Moses would be amused at people “missing the point”. In file 01005, listen from 9:30 to maybe 12:00.

There’s another file that explains the actual original wording, which is a very compelling argument to make me believe that McGee’s interpretation is right. I’ll send that along when I find it.

Now, please understand that I converse with people who have the most bizarre views of God and the universe. As with you, all those years ago at Camp Kenan, I gently begin with salvation and hope the seed lands in fertile soil. In the meantime, with the help of you, Franklyn, Vernon, and… oh, yeah – God, I try to improve my understanding. I feed that to others at the fastest rate that I believe they can receive it. I make it fairly clear that I believe with all my heart, but that I also have SO much to learn.

Regards, John P.S. This is not in any way to refute. It is only to explain.

Dave’s Response – I appreciate your sensitivity on this issue of age of the earth and universe. I certainly agree with you that the answer does not determine salvation. The young-earth creationists claim the same. What deeply bothers the young-earthers is that the only driving force compelling the old-agers belief system is because evolution, in order to be true, MUST have billions and billions of years to do its “magic.” In other words, evolution theory is causing this error. Error causes further error. When science bases its beliefs on a foundational error, how can one trust its off-shoots?

If evolution was not in the minds of scientists and Bible believers, a plain reading of Genesis makes the earth thousands, not billions of years old. James Ussher (1581-1656) was Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625 and 1656. He was a prolific scholar, who most famously published a chronology that purported to establish the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC, according to the proleptic Julian calendar. Although mocked in arrogant evolutionist circles, Ussher was no quack and his research was excellent. The conclusion is that there is simply no room in human history for billions of years. When we especially realize that the Bible is emphatic concerning there was no death before sin, an evolutionary history is totally incompatible with Holy Scriptures. In other words, as soon as a Christian believes in billions of years of history, then death and suffering had to have begun BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned. It is HERE where the slippery slope to undermine the authority and accuracy of Scripture begins. If you can resolve this conflict, then I may be partly open to the idea of billions of years of history.

Dr. Russell Humphreys is a brilliant scientist who has formulated complicated theories asserting a young earth and universe. Humphreys graduated B.S. from Duke University and was awarded his Ph.D in physics from Louisiana State University in 1972. He has worked for General Electric and Sandia National Laboratories in nuclear physics where he received a patent and a science award so he is far from being some quack. He has offered a Young Earth Creationist cosmological model to deal with the distant starlight problem and has answered well criticisms from those who attack him. His book is entitled, “Starlight and Time.”

The truth is that science, because it has grown in knowledge so fast in modern times, has become arrogant with this knowledge and has closed its mind to alternative thinking, the one thing this discipline should NEVER do. That said, I still agree with you about not emphasizing all this when witnessing because our culture has been too evolutionized and this would be “casting peals before the swine” type of thing. If the age of the earth comes up, I simply say there are different views that can be defended. But for the Christian who really trusts the Scriptures, they need to look harder into this issue. It is slippery slope when people start treating Genesis as non historical.

Here is a list of just some of the many scientific problems with the earth being billions of years old:

  1. Helium rises from under the earth’s crust and continues to leak out of the atmosphere. By now there should be none left but there is a lot still in the earth.
  2.  The oceans gradually get saltier, but they are only 3.6% salt today. If earth is real old, that percentage
    should be much higher.
  3.  Oil under the earth;s crust is still under too much pressure. If earth is really old, that pressure would
    have relieved itself long ago.
  4.  If old, the sea floor should have much more sediment built up.
  5.  The moon is gradually moving away from earth. if this rate of distance change has been constant (as all evolutionist bet on), then billions of year ago it would have been too close to earth and would have caused multiple problems resulting in killing of all life. In addition, the moon should be much farther away by now.
  6.  If old, human populations should be much more advanced by now. Have you ever wondered why the native American Indian population was not as dense as in the Middle East and Europe? I think it is because the first humans came from the Fertile Crescent area some 6,000-10,000 years ago and migration and population increase takes time.
  7. The magnetic field is getting weaker at a rate that can be measured. Assuming this has been a constant rate which evolutionists assert, it would be too weak by now to protect life.
  8.  Earth’s rotation is slowing which means it used to be faster. If we go back thousands of years there is no problem because the speed of rotation would only be slightly faster. But go back billions of years, we have earth spinning so fast that no life could exist.
  9.  Top soil forms slowly and we have only a handful of inches. If older, we should have much more.
  10.  Ice core rings are not annual rings. Warm-cold changes form them so one year could have multiple rings. Therefore, we cannot determine age by simply counting rings.
  11.  Oldest tree is the Bristle Cone Pine and dates only 4300 years. If earth is older, why aren’t there trees
    older? Noah’s Flood happened about 4500 years ago where all the trees were wiped out (but not there
  12.  Stalagmites and stalactites form quickly under the right conditions – several feet in a few years.
    These are not proofs of an ancient earth.
  13.  The Radio Isotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE) research group excavated many organic samples from various levels within the earth’s crust, some very deep while other not so deep and many in between. They sent different samples to different labs to be carbon dated. They did not tell the labs they were creation scientists fearing non cooperation or fudging the results due to deeply held biases. Carbon-14 is constantly entering any living thing (plant or animal) but as soon as the life dies, the carbon-14 ceases to accumulate. Instead it decays into Nitrogen-14. The half-life of C-14 is 5,730 years. This means that in that amount of time, half of it has changed over to N-14. After, say, 30,000 years, scientists will not be able to detect it any longer. Certainly if something died millions of years ago, no traces of C-14 could ever be found. The RATE results provide scientific proof that all samples studied died only thousands of years ago and at about the same time in history due to the residue of C-14 remaining in all the samples! The results also indicate they died at about the same time. Since this evidence contradicts evolutionary theory, evolutionists who have commented on this say that there must have been a contamination of the samples. While this is always a possibility in this kind of study, it is remote due to special care the scientists take to prevent it. So far as I know, critics have simply stated their problem with the RATE findings rather than attempting to duplicate the study. Any open-minded researcher would be motivated to try to replicate this. RATE published its findings in November 2005. They also now suspect that decay rates have not been constant. Specifically, they think that before Noah’s Flood, due to severe differences in atmosphere and other factors, these rates were much faster than what they are today which could explain false old-age readings based on modern day assumptions (uniformitarianism) concerning all decay rates.

Why haven’t evolutionists ever Carbon-14 tested samples found buried deep? Their “geologic column” rules their minds. In other words, they view the age of a sample by how deep it is found. Simply put, they judge the age of the sample by what layer it was found in and they judge the age of the layer by what samples were found in them. If this isn’t circular reasoning I don’t know what is. In their minds it is a waste of time and money to Carbon-14 test a sample that “obviously” died millions of years ago. Just some food for thought.

I listened to your first file from Vernon McGee. All is arguments against evolution were good except the info about the Puluxy River Valley that supposedly had human and dinosaur footprints together. Dr. Carl Baugh first reported this info. According to Answers in Genesis, this is not a credible report for various scientific reasons. One good thing about AIG is that they stay up on latest facts, criticisms, and theories about origins and history.

I just finished your second file on Divisions, but it stopped after 9 minutes 30 sec and did not continue on. I thought that there might be more. In any case, from what I did hear, he never dealt with the death before sin problem of old-earthers. By the way, young-earthers realize what the emphasis is with Christianity and the Bible. McGee implies that we don’t.

John’s Response – I agree that the slope is slippery. I think many learned Christians contend that even if the McGee thoughts are correct, that it opens the door to evolution. My thought is that God knew all of this would happen and He could have ended the controversy by a couple sentences in Genesis. He chose not to. If I adopt the young earth theory, it would be against my judgement at this point. Since I know that it is a possible stumbling block for others, I just tend to stay away from it. Because of my background of the last 10 years, people like to draw me into these conversations, so I neither confirm, nor deny, and revector them into the salvation story. The best explanation I’ve read/heard is McGee’s, but I keep an open mind, but not so open that it allows my brains to fall out.J

There is far more evidence to support the existence of our saving God than there is to support evolution. I believe the hand of Satan guided the pens of Darwin, Mohammad, … My stumbling block is that God’s story has always been so obvious to me that it’s hard for me to understand why it is so confusing to others. Frankly, I can’t fathom the motivation for people who seemingly prefer to walk around blind.

I appreciate your patience with me, and the part you have played in my eternity, my friend. We have forever to chat, and that’s kinda nice.


Dave W (4/26/13) – Nice Job Dave.

Outer Space Aliens

Modern controversy – Ever since Erich Von Daniken produced the movie “Chariots of the Gods” in 1970, people are beginning to believe that all Ezekiel saw here was a UFO and aliens rather than something supernatural. The History Channel has jumped on his theories and have brought more “evidence” to support their claims that aliens have created our DNA and are monitoring our progress perhaps as part of an experiment gone bad or a major part in their future breeding. If so, then all their “breeds” have died! That doesn’t sound like a feasible theory if aliens are super intelligent! These programs present only parts of the Biblical accounts that make their ideas look credible. They never offer theories on who designed all the other diverse life forms on this planet. They never deal with the fact their “their alien creators” never tell us what we are supposed to be doing. The God of the Bible does tell us these things. They have spent much time describing what Ezekiel saw, all peppered with their interpretations. They always omit, however, things that do not make sense to their thinking. In this case, they totally neglect to describe what Ezekiel saw ABOVE the supposed UFO. He saw something that looked like a throne with a man (not a “grey”) sitting on it, radiating with light. Ezekiel says it was the “glory of the Lord” and he proceeded to fall on his face. Then he heard a voice that would give him specific instructions!

To UFO advocates, “god” is no more worthy of being worshiped than a stone. Their hope is that we evolve enough to be as smart as they are some day. Wow, maybe that’s a nice thought for humans of a far-into-the-future time (assuming we’re evolving), but that does not speak well for the millions of people who have died and those who are alive now (since we still die and cannot compete with “the greys” yet).

The major tenet of their faith is that aliens, who have evolved farther than us, have designed human DNA as part of some experiment or, worst still, some way to extend their own bio needs. So the alien theorists have substituted the real God for a false one. This is described in Romans 1:25: “For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” But have you ever noticed what they do not do? They never complain against their “creators” like they do against the real Creator. Where is all that anger against those who supposedly made us? Life on earth is tough, unfair, violent, and we all die!! Mention these evils to the “space alien guys” and they will scoff at the God of the Bible, but spare this animosity when they talk about aliens.

In addition, the theorists never attempt to explain where the “greys” came from, or what made all the other life forms on this earth, as well as all of the non-life forms that are essential to sustain life.

I think the bottom line problem is that fallen humans still have the same problem as Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden. We all want to make our own rules while we do not want some one to rule over us…no matter how perfectly Good that Someone is.

Therefore, the human need is not more evolution (this never happened anyway) or some minor tweaking within our DNA by space aliens. We need a 100% re-do. That process begins when we humble ourselves as a little child, as Jesus said. God’s spiritual surgery is the only remedy to our plight on earth. We will perceive life differently when this happens as we enter the only Kingdom (do I dare say rulership?) that will last forever. Thank you so much Jesus for making this transformation from death to Life possible!

Therefore, do not be taken in by this End-Time deception. God promises those who have been born-again in Christ “instant evolution” when we are saved and later resurrected in new bodies, and are seated with Christ forever! Earthly evolution does not wrought the change that humans really need. Our problem is not lack of knowledge, lack of technology, or IQ level. God’s “instant evolution” does the necessary “surgery” needed in order to live forever during His planned ages to come when evil no longer exists.

Evolutionary thinking permeates the alien theories. The theory of evolution, which cannot be scientifically demonstrated, contradicts both Old and New Testament statements. Advocates assume that ancient man was too ignorant to build monuments with astronomical accuracy or to make the pyramids without sophisticated intelligence outside our realm. The Biblical perspective maintains that humans have always been made intelligent by their Creator and there was never a slow change from ape-like creatures to human. God said plainly that each life form was made after their kind (Gen. 1:21, 24, 25) and that “All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish” (1 Cor. 15:39). There is no Scripture that even remotely implies that species (or kinds) gradually transformed themselves into other or new species.

Alien theorists also jump to the conclusion that people in Biblical times were so ignorant that they mistook aliens for God or angels. There seems to be an element of pride permeating this kind of thought as if to say, “We know more now because we are smarter.” In truth, Adam and Eve had the best intellect in the history of mankind because God saw that everything He made on earth was good. I assume that Adam and Eve used 100% of the brain that God before sin’s curse took hold and had detrimental effects farther and deeper than we realize. Still, humans have shown throughout history to be very intelligent. Just because technology has increased, which God predicted would happen in the Last Days (Daniel 12:4), it does not mean that human IQs have increased. This is a huge difference that often gets lost in discussions today.

Here are examples of Scriptures that alien theorists use to support their claims:

Genesis 6:1-22 – When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. …

Genesis 6:4 – The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Exodus 13:21 – And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night.

Exodus 14:19-25 – Then the angel of God who was going before the host of Israel moved and went behind them, and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them, coming between the host of Egypt and the host of Israel. And there was the cloud and the darkness. And it lit up the night without one coming near the other all night. Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the Lord drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the people of Israel went into the midst of the sea on dry ground, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on their left. The Egyptians pursued and went in after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh’s horses, his chariots, and his horsemen. …

Exodus 19:16-18 – On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly.

Numbers 9:15-22 – On the day that the tabernacle was set up, the cloud covered the tabernacle, the tent of the testimony. And at evening it was over the tabernacle like the appearance of fire until morning. So it was always: the cloud covered it by day and the appearance of fire by night. And whenever the cloud lifted from over the tent, after that the people of Israel set out, and in the place where the cloud settled down, there the people of Israel camped. At the command of the Lord the people of Israel set out, and at the command of the Lord they camped. As long as the cloud rested over the tabernacle, they remained in camp. Even when the cloud continued over the tabernacle many days, the people of Israel kept the charge of the Lord and did not set out. …

Ezekiel 1:1-28 – In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness, …

2 Samuel 22:8-16 – Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations of the heavens trembled and quaked, because he was angry. Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. He bowed the heavens and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. He rode on a cherub and flew; he was seen on the wings of the wind. He made darkness around him his canopy, thick clouds, a gathering of water. …

2 Kings 2:11 – And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Zechariah 5:1-2 – Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”

Anytime God speaks to humans in the Biblical records, the content is good, never evil. So if God (and His angels) are nothing more than aliens with higher intelligence than humans (which I do not believe), then should we not obey the messages?! But this is never the theme promoted by these programs and movies. They will not comment on what God said to prophets. This is not important to these theorists. The spirit behind these people has a two-fold purpose:

  1. to further undermine the authority of God’s Word to mankind and
  2. to get people away from the belief in an all-powerful, all-loving, great sacrificing Creator, Someone who is worthy of our worship.

When these programs do present an alleged Christian perspective, it’s usually a liberal member of the clergy who is expressing his/her own interpretations. I have yet to see or read any of these programs include a formidable Biblical rebuttal to theories of ancient aliens. While most UFO sitings are easily explained away, some are not. The credible ones can be divided into these possible categories:

  1. real craft, not from earth
  2. real craft made by man in military secrecy
  3. real craft made by man with assistance from extraterrestrials
  4. real craft made by extraterrestrials
  5. totally demonic activity or demonic illusion.

The case for the existence of at least some real UFO aircraft (as opposed to demonic illusions) is a strong one. They have been observed in recent times by credible people such as fighter pilots from several countries, astronauts, commercial airline pilots, military security personnel, and even a group of 62 school children in Africa. One example of an alleged flying saucer created by a human is that of famous inventor Nicola Tesla’s flying saucer. He apparently possessed scientific knowledge far in advance of his time. At times he would have instant revelations, but he also suffered from hallucinations and tormenting thoughts. Some other people have claimed to have instantaneous ability to read and write hieroglyphics, but also had been in contact with eight so-called “spirit guides.” Alien researcher Guy Malone has concluded that after working for 13 years on this issue, involvement always has led to “bad fruit and New Age cult thinking.”

Alleged alien abductions rarely if ever occur with strong Christians and there appears to be a frequent correlation between people who claim to have had abduction experiences with occult activities. If not them, it may be family members. However, this is not true in every case which does make me wonder what “in the world” is going on.

If demons are involved, they are totally evil, although they can appear to be good (2 Cor. 11:14-15). They are not aliens from other planets. They have been here on earth from the beginning (or maybe when they were cast out of heaven to earth when Jesus came – Luke 10:18 & Revelation 12:1-9). They will always get uncomfortable if a person speaks of Jesus Christ, and when they are commanded to go away in His name, they go (assuming the person is in right relationship with Jesus). Consider this Scripture concerning the Last Days, “Woe to the inhabitors of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” (Revelation 12:12). Also this one, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him” (Revelation 12:7-9).

creation.com/lifting-the-veil-ufo-phenomenon has information from a Christian who did research about former MUFON investigator turned Christian Joe Gordon. MUFON (The Mutual UFO Network) maintains that greys are trying to help us evolve.

One of Joe’s cases involved a new Christian named Bill D. During an alleged alien abduction he cried out “Jesus, help me!” and the encounter immediately stopped. When Joe contacted other MUFON investigators to see if they had had similar cases, they would only agree to talk to Joe if it was ‘off the record’ for fear of their careers. The truth was they all knew of similar accounts of abductions being stopped by people praying, singing hymns or calling on the name of Jesus. But because it was ‘religious in nature’ and not ‘scientific’, the evidence was being deliberately ignored and actually hidden. Joe’s CE4 group knew there must be more cases with which they could expose the deception. A newspaper, Florida Today, reported on CE4’s initial findings. The story went viral via the press and Internet, and suddenly, lots of people were contacting CE4 sharing similar testimonies.

Joe’s current ministry sees him counseling many experiencers with the aim of leading them to Christ. To date, he has worked with over 400 people who have had their ‘abduction’ episodes halted in the name of Christ (some of them don’t want to be identified). He has valuable insight into the whole UFO realm as he has seen it from two different sets of eyes—as an unbelieving new-ager, and now as a Bible-believing Christian. Like me, he found that the Bible has the answers to explain what is really happening. Moreover, the Bible also explains that non-Christians are unable to see the phenomenon for what it really is — “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV).

Source = http://creation.com/ufos-and-aliensis-there-something-going-on

Given the number of unexplainable sightings every year, however, there should be a virtual queue of extraterrestrial craft entering our atmosphere. But this has never been detected. Although the majority of sightings are explainable as natural or man-made phenomena, or psychological delusions, some are not so easy to dismiss. Regardless of whatever one may think they are, the evidence suggests that they are already here, that is, emanating from the earth. Coupled with this is the circumstantial evidence of the contactees. These people from differing countries, backgrounds and careers seem to share a very common experience. It appears that the messages they are receiving from these so-called ‘aliens’ are aimed at rewriting the Bible’s history. For example, many of them claim that they are the creators of life on earth via the process of evolution, in contrast to God who created everything supernaturally in six days. Other common messages imply that Jesus Christ was an advanced extraterrestrial who will be returning in his spaceship.

I do not believe that advanced extraterrestrials are traveling millions of light years across the universe (if they could find us in the first place) just to recondition our spiritual beliefs.

Christians can see the obvious deception by Satan and his cohorts through the nature of these messages. Uncomfortable as we may be by the thought of increasing contact by the spiritual enemies of God, it is happening. The reason is that popular beliefs about evolution, extraterrestrial life and the possibility of interstellar space travel have made even the average person in the street susceptible to such deceptions.

For more of a variety of info, go to: http://creation.com/alien-life-ufo-questions-and-answers

For specific info on the name of Jesus stopping alien activity, go to: http://www.alienresistance.org/ufo-alien-deception/alienabductions-stop-in-the-name-jesus-christ/

The “Bottom Line” Outline:

I. Summary of Several Claims by Ancient Alien Theorists.

A. God is just a more evolved physical being.

B. Alien beings are called “greys” because so many people have similar descriptions of what they encountered.

C. Many people claim to have been abducted by aliens

  • Most had terrifying and sometimes painful experiences.
  • Some report that greys are good and are trying to help humanity.
  • Many became literally paralyzed so greys could “work” on them.

D. Ancient man has been periodically visited by aliens who gave them super advanced technology.

E. UFO connections and descriptions are in the Bible and ancient man did not know enough to describe them in a way that would fit our knowledge of aliens.

  • Ezekiel’s wheel, Noah’s Ark (was a space ships that saved humans and animals while earth flooded), pyramid construction, Ark of the Covenant (was a radio transmitter that not only communicated with Moses, but emitted deadly voltage to anyone who touched it), Mt.Sinai and Moses (UFO landed and an alien talked with him), the pillar of fire and cloud during the exodus, “the sons of god“ in Genesis 6, Elijah taken up in the sky by a chariot.
  • Scripture References used include: Ezek 1:1-28; Genesis 6:1-22; Exodus 13:21; 2 Kings 2:11; Numbers 9:15-22; Exodus 19:16-18; Exodus 14:19-25.

F. Etchings of alien beings from many years ago.

II. The Christian Response:

A. Claims by ufologists should not be quickly dismissed by Christians

  • There are too many “normal” people making claims
  • Descriptions have many similarities
  • Christians use the same reasons cited above to “prove” the resurrection so it is not fair or consistent for us to reject those reasons.
  • Ufologists’ claims are becoming widely spread in our culture today, so to ignore them or quickly brush them off, makes it appear like we are the “blind, ignorant, close-minded ones.”

B. The “Discernment Key” = The “Common Thread” – after all the facts and data are in, look for common themes, claims, or effects the experiences produce on people.

C. “Threads” I’ve perceived over the years

  • Many people who connect with “aliens” have been involved with the occult and/or New Age activities
  • Strong Christians are rarely involved.
  • When a strong Christian is involved, uttering the name of Jesus stops or interferes with alien activity.
  • According to former member of MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and now Christian Joe Gordon, this kind of information has been censored by other ufologists.
  • Claims tend to make people doubt the Scriptures.
  • Makes Christianity appear like an out-dated, ignorant superstitious belief system.
  • Huge promotion of evolution (this spirit asserts that humans will eventually become gods; its root comes from Genesis 3:5 which was Satan‘s second lie to mankind).
  • So-called alien statements contradict the Bible
  • Masks the essential communication between Creator and mankind – ignores what this being or beings are saying – be humble, be kind, can’t be good enough to have life so there is a provision for us (Jesus as the sacrificial lamb). So even if Jesus was an “advanced grey” (which I do not believe), shouldn’t we still follow Him? No one else in history was better! Alien theorists will never say this.

D. The Ignored Message Needs to be Told – alien theorists are obsessed with convincing others that there is no supernatural, all-knowing, all-loving God that created us. It was these aliens who did this and if we learn their knowledge, we too will evolve into a superior race. This sounds like Satan’s lie to Eve – “You shall not die…in fact you’ll become like God.” Jesus described Satan as the father of all lies. I guess it comes down to whose words will we trust – Jesus’ or some ufologist?

For a more in depth Christian response, go to: http://creationists.org/ancient-alien-history-channel-rebuttal.html

Scriptures supporting the ‘demonic theory”:

2 Thessalonians 2:9 – The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders….

Ephesians 6:12 – For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

2 Corinthians 11:14 – And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

In summation, there is much reading and research to be studied about this issue. I confess that mine was not exhaustive, therefore there are probably many things left out in this essay. I tend to judge things by their fruit, and the fruit of Ufology is not good according to Biblical standards. If “greys” exist, I do not think they are friends of our Lord, and I reject the notion that Jesus was simply a powerful grey (and even if He is, He is still worth obeying and dying for because of what He did). Maybe for some people it all comes down to who or what they trust, a long lasting Bible which has turned millions of bad people into much better people by a wonderful, unchanging message to humankind, or some latest theory perpetuated by folks who really are not interested in what God has said to us. Jesus said it best (as usual), “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand” (John 10:27-28). Not even the greys? Not even the greys. My advice to you if you ever are confronted by one is to not fear and rebuke it in the name of Jesus Christ….and enjoy what follows.


J: Dave, not sure if you ever read the book by Chuck Missler- “Alien Encounters” was the name, I believe. Interesting book, to say the least. One part I remember is that all those who supposedly had close contact had messages that contradicted Scripture, lending more credence to the fact that, while they probably exist (since there IS a spiritual realm), they are undoubtedly demonic.

Dave: No, I have not read Missler’s book, but many of the Christian sources seem to be saying what he claims. The best Scripture to support this belief is 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, which says, “….for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.” Many reports have people saying that these so-called “greys” are good.

J: It was a bit unnerving reading it. I have a feeling we’d shrink into the fetal position if we saw the spiritual warfare going on around us!

Dave: Yeah, it’s probably God’s wisdom that prevents that from happening.

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