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Q & A: Why Faith Works

Chris L – Why would our eternal future be determined by some choice we make during our human lifetime based on this thing we call faith? Wouldn’t it make more sense for God to just say, after we die, ‘here’s the deal, you can accept Me and My Son’s sacrifice and live forever with us or choose your own path which leads to Hell.’ I know we might say ‘that is the choice we have here!’ but why not make it even clearer? Why not have Jesus stick around and actually speak to everyone after he rose from the dead? I wonder why it takes Faith at all – why would a loving God require faith? If people don’t want to accept God, fine, but why even put an element of ‘faith’ that counters ‘doubt’ in there? Why not eliminate doubt?

Dave – I believe that faith is the only way God could use to prevent forcing souls to obey Him. Once doubt is eliminated, obedience to God is forced. Love does not demand (force) its own way (1 Cor. 13:5). He uses faith to separate the sheep from the goats. God knows that faith makes up for sin and disobedience perhaps because it is the antithesis of sinning. For example, Adam and Eve sinned because they did not trust (believe in) God’s Word. If they did, they never would have eaten from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Now one may argue that Lucifer and the fallen angels saw God therefore eliminating any doubt about His existence, so why not afford that same “luxury” to humans? I think the answer ties in with something deeper God had to accomplish in order to banish evil forever. For example, if He simply created more angels to replace the fallen ones, they too could at some time in eternity fall. God did not want any more “falling.” He wanted a perfect Bride for His Son (Himself) and wanted to banish evil forever. One that would be faithful forever to Him and Him to “her.” So He decided to create beings that were a little lower than the angels, allowing them to fall in order to perfect His love by His great demonstration on the Cross. Because of what he accomplished (and this gets pretty deep), He “figured out” a way to banish evil forever. It will never raise its ugly head again! Now one can ask, “Why then did God allow evil to exist at all?” My only attempt at this tough question is to say that when Good exists (and God is ever existing Good), the concept of “not good” must be in existence at the same “time.” God therefore allowed the concept of evil to become reality in order to conquer it. Therefore, God’s Plan was to eradicate the reality of “not good” forever. So the concept of evil will always exist but now it has no power or authority to become a reality again. Hence, we now have the Kingdom of God among us! Just my thoughts. It all could be as wrong as predicting the NY Yankees will win the next World Series. 🙂

Chris L – Wow, insightful responses very quickly given, thanks! I’ve always wondered something like that regarding your answer to the last question. I once thought out-loud something along those lines to a leader in campus crusade, who didn’t think God would be involved in intending ‘the fall’ in that manner, but I tend to agree with you. I’m interested to see what people have to say (if anything). I might be able to have time to further comment later, but it’s clear to me you got where I was going with my rambling questions!

I still struggle with ‘belief” question, as in what that really means. And it ties into my ‘why have faith’ issue. If it’s just a matter of accepting you need help, it still bothers me that God would make there be some possibility of doubt. There is like an inkling of unfairness that arises in my mind when I wonder if there are any honest non-Christians who would ‘believe’ if simply given a bit more evidence. Maybe they are just all in self-deception, but then why would it be important for us to minister to them if they already have all the info they need to believe?

Dave – Regarding your statement that some would believe if just given more evidence – according to Luke 16:31 this is not a safe assumption. This describes the condemned rich man’s plea to return from the dead so he could tell his 5 brothers about what happens after death. But Jesus said if they don’t listen to Moses (first 5 OT Books) then they will not listen to someone back from the dead (probably alluding to Himself at this point).

Regarding your “honest” non-Christians who would believe if given a bit more evidence…God says to seek so we can find. If they are open (honest), they should be compelled to seek to find God. If they do this with good intent, then God will reveal Himself to them (John 7:17). He will grant them repentance (2 Tim.2:25), remove the veil (2 Cor.3:16), and get them saved. Shame on any human who does not seek their Creator. Simply seeking truth does not necessarily cut it because motivations may be askew. This is covered in that John 7:17 passage cited above. So I am still a bit confused at your “inkling of unfairness.”

Chris L – That’s a good point. I’m just thinking of some people I know who may not fully believe but don’t see the need to dive into the Bible – or those people who say that they would like to believe but just don’t. I can say that ‘well, you must not be honestly searching for Him, because if you did, you would find Him,’ but that’s so difficult to say when I am not in their shoes. Or maybe it’s not if it’s a truth stated in the Bible, I don’t know…

Dave – Regarding those people you described as not fully believing and see no need to dive into the Bible: God declares in Psalms 40:7-8, “Behold, I come in the volume of the book…I delight to do your will.” To me, this means that people who are not interested in delving into the Bible, God’s Word, then they really are not interested in learning about Him or following His lead in this life (allowing Him to be the Boss). Their non action speaks louder than words, according to my take on Scripture.


Feedback:

Chris L – Yeah, there must be some fundamental reason for allowing evil/faith/doubt. Even with Adam and Eve, God could have cut the serpent’s conversation short, stepped in and said ‘listen, he’s telling you a lie…’ But He didn’t – He allowed that tree to be there, and even more importantly, apparently allowed temptation and doubt to exist, even in Paradise. There seems to be a reason God permits this to exist, and maybe it does have something to do with the question of free will, that the only way He can change us for the better but still have a relationship with us in which we choose to accept Him is to be able to create alternatives to following Him that have real temptation. But even that feels odd…almost like some slight of hand – holding back His full reality in a manner that allows evil a great impact on so many things (and people’s eternal souls?)…I don’t know…still working it out, but I think you must be pointing towards the answer, thanks!

Dave – But I still maintain that this set up by God was the only way He could exterminate the reality of evil forever.

NF – Very Interesting lesson–but don’t like that NY Yankees comment–only the good Lord know if my NY Yankees will win it all next year!!:}

Dave – Alas, what can I do about these Yankee fans?!

GR – Dave, respectfully regarding your statement about Adam and Eve sinned because they did not believe in God’s word. I disagree, I believe in God’s Word and I commit sin all the time. It is man’s nature to sin, thereby the world’s sin problem. Jesus dies for us to cover our sin.

Dave – Yes, I agree that it is our nature to sin so we do know we sin when we do. In the beginning, however, Adam and Eve did NOT have that sinful nature when they failed to heed and thus obey God’s Word. That evil nature came after they sinned. God did not create mankind with an evil nature.

Death at Very Early Age

Babies sometimes die before being born. Newborns sometimes die shortly after birth. Toddlers sometimes die. How can the God of the Bible be true when tragedies such as these occur constantly all over the world?

Two major points must be made evident immediately when defending our faith:

  1. When the human race chose to reject God and go their own independent ways, the horrors of death, tragedy, and injustice entered our realm. God did not originally design things this way. Humans are to blame. Does this mean, however, that God is directly causing every single tragedy as specific punishment for our sin? I don’t think so. Rather I tend to see tragedies as an automatic result of our sinful, self-centered state. It’s like God telling us not to jump off a cliff. If we do, then the laws of gravity, which God knew about previously, take over and we reap the results (even though He could suspend those laws). So although God is mindful of each tragedy, I don’t look at Him as though He caused them. There are exceptions. He does stir up judgments against individuals and nations from time to time. He is not totally divorced from His creation. He intervenes in great ways and in judgmental ways from time to time. Whenever He does intervene, it is always for the good of mankind, both in the short run and the long run.
  2. God’s Eternal Plan will make everything right (and worthwhile) in the end.

These may or may not be comforting words to parents who have lost a young child. Perhaps the best comfort we can give them is to weep with them. People generally aren’t in the mood for a sermon when in the middle of the grieving process. While Jesus did weep with the friends and family of Lazarus, He did demonstrate His promise of everlasting life, which has the power to deliver us all from the curse of this sinful world.

When a young person dies, we tend to describe that tragedy as “an untimely death.” While I certainly understand this, it may not be from God’s perspective. After all, He knows the future of that child, and it may be horrible. Perhaps worse things would happen if that child lived longer which would ruin their personality or saving faith in Jesus. God had to remove the infant Jesus from Satan’s jaws of death. God did not take Jesus out of this world to prevent His premature death for obvious reasons, but it reveals how the devil seeks to destroy people (1 Peter 5:8). One might argue that God should prevent such tragedies since He has the power to do so. All I can say is that in His wisdom, He knows when to intervene and when not to intervene, and I cannot fully explain why (neither could Job, and God did not tell him either). Jesus did tell a parable about wheat and tares in Matthew 13. In verse 30 He says to not pull out the tares (evil, or evil ones) from the earth because the wheat (God’s true children) would be harmed, but allow both to grow together until the harvest. So God has His kids in mind throughout all the horrors and injustices in this fallen world. With His Plan, eventually all evil will be finally done away with.

Do these young people who die go to heaven? I know we would like to think so. Even though the practice of infant baptism is not Scriptural, well-meaning religious people have added it to their practices in order, they think, to ensure eternal life for those young ones. Does this mean that those young ones who weren’t lucky enough to get sprinkled will go to Hell? I don’t think so. The truth is that we can only wonder and guess. In 2 Samuel 12:23, when King David was mourning the death of his infant son whom he illegitimately fathered with Bathsheba, he said, “But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” This may give us a hint that these babies will go to a great place, but was David speaking from his own opinion, or was this a truth nugget from God? It’s difficult to tell. Or, was he referring to a place souls go to before Judgment Day? One thing we know for sure is that God is Perfect and whatever happens it proper and right.

Another comforting Scripture is found in Matthew 18:10. Jesus, speaking about young children, said, “See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.” It appears from this that kids have angels assigned to them, so the old phrase concerning “guardian angels” probably stems from this verse rather than the old-time hit movie, “It‘s a Wonderful Life.” My question is, if young ones have these angels, do they continue with them throughout life? I hope, and believe so. I just cannot see an angel saying, “Okay! The kid just turned into an adult, so I’m outta here!“

When death strikes early, it is difficult for us to immediately apply Romans 8:28 which states, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” We may never wrap our minds around this one entirely. I do believe, however, that in the afterlife, we will see all clearly. The question then becomes, can we still trust in this God of ours when things go badly? This was part of Job’s test.

We also tend to misjudge things. In Jesus’ day, people thought that people who experienced early death were worse sinners than others. Jesus corrected this misconception in Luke 13:1-5. In this case, Jesus used early death as a teachable moment by reminding us that unless we repent, we also will likewise perish. Death is a wake-up call for people who are not yet right with their Creator. Therefore, an infant death, for example, can be used to wake up several others who can greatly influence the kingdom of God while they live on earth. I’ve seen God draw people to salvation by using deaths of infants. Those infants had a divine purpose that they knew nothing about. On the other hand, tragedy can also make the human heart even harder against God. It all depends on what’s in the heart. When people were accusing Jesus of making up His own off-the-wall religion, He said, “If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself “ (John 7:17).

In summation, I do not think that Adam and Eve had much of an idea what sin’s curse would wrought throughout human history. Thousands of years later, we still cannot completely understand life’s tragedies and complexities. We can, however, choose to continue our walks with our Creator trusting Him to make all things right in the afterlife where death loses its sting (1 Corinthians 15:54-55). But while we still have that “sting,” God can comfort us if we turn to Him during those tough times.


Feedback So Far:

PT: Great question Dave. Appreciate you posing such a difficult question and the godly counsel you offer and agree with everything you say. Much to ponder about. I thought too I might pass along some info taken from a Billy Graham training seminar (Rapid Response Team) I recently attended in how to minister effectively to those who have suffered loss and are in a crisis situation. People deeply impacted with trauma and grief.


COMMON MISTAKES:

  1. Unwelcome preaching or giving a sermon
  2. Trying to cure the problem
  3. Being theological vs pastoral
  4. Poor timing
  5. Confusing witnessing with just showing up
  6. Thinking their faith is just like yours
  7. Using language they don’t understand
  8. Using churchy cliches, like “The Lord gives and the Lord takes away” (dangerous)
  9. Equating your own experience with theirs, stay away from personal experiences
  10. Trying to answer the “Why has Thou forsaken me?” question. Only God knows for sure.

MINISTRY THAT HELPS:

  1. Intense grief is like a fingerprint, it is different for everyone
  2. Be there for them, make yourself available
  3. Be patient, spend more time listening than talking, give full attention, listening build trust
  4. Use open ended questions to help them talk, like “How are you holding up?”
  5. Listen to see what else might be contributing to their level of pain and suffering, 65% of all trauma victims already have some king of pain before the crisis
  6. Have a short-term presence with a long-term ministry in mind
  7. Ask if they have family and friend support
  8. Help them understand available resources
  9. Help them take the next reasonable step without manipulation.

LET GOD ACT:

  1. Wait for the Holy Spirit’s “nudge” to bridge the gap between the clinical and biblical, let the Holy Spirit guide you
  2. Find out what God is already doing in their life and go along side them, ask if they have a church or church family, or if they believe in God
  3. Be prepared to share the hope you have in Christ (the gospel) and what is true about God and His loving care, but do so with gentleness and respect. Remember, Christ is our only mediator between the God of all comfort and those we want to comfort. Jesus said, “…love one another just as I have loved you” (John 15:12)
  4. Reading Scripture helps, acknowledge this is a very difficult time and “ask permission” to read Scripture, consider Psalm 119:25,28 and Ps. 42 and Ps. 88
  5. Prayer becomes very important, bringing words of encouragement and attention to God with needed words of hope and Christ’s love. Prayer commends the person into the faithful hands of Christ. “Ask” if they want to pray, almost all people will say “yes”
  6. Have a follow-up strategy, invite them to church and to meet with them again. “Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word. II Thess. 2:16-17
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