Category: At Issue (page 3 of 14)

Service Ruts

Isaiah 29 – Judgments against Jerusalem because they were honoring God with their lips, but their hearts were far from Him (v13-14). Jesus also later used this against the Jews.

We need to consciously avoid spiritual ruts. Doing and saying the same thing all the time is not conducive to spiritual growth. I think church services should bend over backward to make each service different somehow. Pastors need to allow the Holy Spirit freedom to move among the people and trust that the Spirit will do this if allowed. Unfortunately, humans like to control things (even God’s Spirit) because it somehow gives the feeling of security and safety. I recall my boyhood church always singing 3 hymns and the sermon always lasted 20 minutes. I prided myself being ready for the next agenda item in the bulletin. My eyes and attention was on that bulletin schedule, longing for its end. Little did I know at that time that I was falling into the category of Isaiah 29:13!

Now I’ll go out on a limb – even what I would deem as “spirit-filled churches” have dulled their spiritual senses by having the same routine every Sunday. Let us not put God in a box. I remember one Sunday my pastor preached a great sermon, and at the end he said that at the last minute, the Spirit told him to not preach from his prepared notes, but rather wing it! Now there is faith and freedom! Why not let worship continue “past the ordained time” sometimes? Why should worship always contain songs? We should do what the Holy Spirit wants us to do when we gather in Jesus’ name. Maybe that means to stimulate a discussion among the congregation about some Biblical topic, rather than a traditional sermon. Maybe people could get up and share testimonies for an entire or part of a service. Maybe we could put down the musical instruments once in a great while, etc., etc. C.S.Lewis maintained via his Chronicles of Narnia books that Jesus is not a tame lion, but He is good.

Church structure today, perhaps unwittingly in many cases, has played “lion tamer” all too often. At first, few notice. But over time, the Spirit fades from the service, or it isn’t quite as strong as it could be. If services were more free, more people would come with higher anticipation. High anticipation is faith within the heart of the believer that God will speak to them and that they will also be used by God to touch someone else. That attitude is being gradually lost, even in some good churches…ouch!

I am not advocating pastors allowing people to go crazy in the church. There are parameters of common sense and decency. What I am saying is let us not fall into a routine that will become dull over time, or not what it could be. Many churches start out great but lose something over time. The Holy Spirit is the best One that can “think outside the box.” People’s needs will be met if we truly allow that Spirit free reign.

Feedback so far:

NF – Excellent—-so very true!

GR – Continued great work. AMEN. Church services from time to time can indeed become mundane. At FBBC there is DEFINITELY a routine every Sunday. Our WED services are much more open and unstructured. In any event, I agree, we need to vary things and NOT get in that rut. Audience participation is always fun. We do that Wednesday nights.

Mickey L (4/20/13) – Amen Amen Amen.

 

The Death Penalty

The death penalty issue divides Christians. I am open to both sides of the debate. One piece of this discussion, however, is touched upon in Ecclesiastes 8:11 – Men will continue to do evil if the sentencing of an evil deed is not executed quickly.

The question that always arises is: Does the death penalty deter future crime? I believe it does ONLY if carried out quickly as this verse says. In this way, evil people would have more fear of the consequences. Today, however, with the legal system and individual protections, death penalties are never carried out quickly. So if your argument for the death penalty is based on it deterring more crime, I would say that is not true in today’s society.

Some Christians who are against it say it would send someone straight to hell. Others say if the criminal doesn’t find God facing death he/she never will. Others maintain that all human life can be changed for the better so no one should be executed for what they do. These folks tend to favor life sentences, but others argue that this costs taxpayers too much money.

God’s Law condemned adulterers to death by stoning, but Jesus did not stone that guilty woman. Does the New Covenant of Grace nullify God’s Old covenant desire for capital punishment?

I know that governments have the authority to execute certain criminals, but my question involves God. does God want the death penalty in operation in societies? What should the Christian belief be on this issue. One problem I might add is that any death penalty system will not be perfect. Certainly people with more money would have a better chance to “beat the rap” therefore putting poorer folks at an unfair disadvantage.

As a society becomes more lawless, this issue intensifies no matter what side you are on. Please comment and try to use Scripture to support your beliefs.

Feedback so far:

NF – Interesting…hard to decide but God is in control.

MM – To go through all the appeals to execute someone is more expensive than a life sentence. My objection to the death penalty is based is my belief that; psychologically, when a society takes life under one situation, it invites the people in that society to logically conclude there may be other conditions under which a life may be taken. i.e. abortion, euthanasia, that guy down the street that “needs killn’ etc. Laws may control the “criminality” of the who is allowed to kill, but the minds and hearts will be affected by the reality of the lives taken!

GR – As Jesus forgave the men who tortured and murdered Him one would be led to believe that Jesus Christ would oppose the death penalty since, as Christians, we are to be like Jesus and forgive people who trespass against us. In theory that’s a wonderful way to think and live, but in reality if someone murdered my little girl, I would want them punished and then killed, or better yet, I would kill them myself. I am a STRONG believer in the death penalty and want to see more executions to rid the earth of vermin that kill. Finally, I do not think the death penalty is a deterrent at all, most murders are crimes of passion or robbery, so the thought of the punishment does not come up.

Dave to GR – I fully understand your anger if someone killed your daughter, but remember what the Bible says about vengeance – it belongs to God alone. And I fully understand how this can be very difficult for all of us under certain circumstances, but with God’s Spirit in us, all things are possible.

TH – There is a difference between vengeance and justice for a crime. Christ does teach forgiveness, but there is still repercussion for your sin (the wages of sin). If the punishment for murder is the death penalty as established by the government, you will still stand trial by your peers and if found guilty, you may be put to death. However, forgiveness from Christ can still be achieved if you repent and ask for it. Therefore, you may still face your punishment as prescribed by your government, yet still be with Christ in heaven. Not saying that government is always right in their justice system, and I am not referring only to US government. Just my thoughts.

MH – I question if some things Jesus said are really as simple as they sound. I usually conclude that His Words are simple, but putting them into action is hard. I haven’t done research on the death penalty so I don’t know a lot about it. However, I have been studying about forgiveness and know what the Bible says about that. Matthew 6:14-15 says, “For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” I would choose to forgive the person as incredibly difficult as it may be. I would hope to have the support of fellow Christians to help me forgive when I don’t ‘feel’ like it and to persevere until I know that all anger and bitterness is gone.

AR – There are people in The Bible who were instantly killed because they disobeyed God. Harsh, but you better believe those who came after were Way more careful.

Dave – Yes, and that’s why God probably did it. He needed to have strong deterrents in those early days in order to preserve enough life for the Messiah to be born to men. My theory.

Ecumenism

“Ecumenism” refers only to Christian churches/faiths coming together as one. It does not mean “interfaith” which unites different religions. It also does not refer to non-denominationalism which simply represents Christian churches with no ties to protestant denominations that tend to include man-made traditions birthed in history. Non-denominational churches tend to be autonomous therefore have no church hierarchy, i.e., a head church that determines all doctrine. I think this is the best model. Here I find more love for Jesus and others, and more excellent Bible teachings. I’ve also met some great pastors that never attended seminary or Christian college. God anoints who He wants.

The Ecumenical Movement involves organized churches such as Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and Protestant. You won’t find non- denominational churches involved. They view it as compromise on key doctrines.

On the surface uniting all the Christian faiths together as one seems good. I’m sure Satan has used the “divide and conquer” rule throughout history to lessen impact. The danger of uniting, however, is loss of imperative Truth.

In my view, the essential truths are the identity of Jesus Christ and God’s salvation plan. Therefore, several groups who reject the deity of Christ and adhere to good works and/or rites and rituals to earn salvation must be eliminated from a united group wrought by God. From what I’ve seen over the years among the “ecumenical groups” is not much power of spirit (2 Timothy 3:5), especially in the area of introducing Jesus Christ to people who do not know who He is. Isn’t that what Satan wants? It seems to me that the most repressive power Satan and demons exert on this planet is against the true identity of Jesus and how a human soul gets saved.

United religious groups not formed by the Holy Spirit usually are folks who think they are good people doing good things for God. It may be a difficult concept to grasp but when fallen humans strive in their own “goodness” to please God, He looks at those works as “filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6). One problem fallen humans have is the lack of perception of true Holiness which only God has and how far we have fallen from that state. At very best, we see truth dimly (1 Corinthians 13:12).

Now for Christian churches that have the essential tenets of the faith in tact, there should be more unity, especially among the non-denominational churches. However, they allow other doctrines such as how to interpret End-time prophecy, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and how to worship God “properly,” prideful pastors who fear losing people, and social/political issues to get in the way of unity. This is tragic indeed. Perhaps only a major catastrophe would bring us all together as one, but then later, we would most likely slide back into our comfort zones.

Unity that is not wrought by God is evil as was the case with the Tower of Babel scene. The concept of “unity” (the attempt at religious unity) erodes important truths and will not be the answer to the world’s problems. I look at this world as a sinking ship, and I’m trying to get as many people as I can into the lifeboat via the Gospel. I think people within the ecumenical movement are not as alive in Christ as they could be and therefore can more easily fit together with others with the same problem.

Simply stated, I perceive there exists a true church and a false church in this world. The true one loves Jesus, tells others about Him, reads the Bible as a lifeline to God, loves people, and knows they cannot earn their way to heaven, it’s all God’s mercy and grace given via Jesus Christ. The false church basks in good works, seldom gets into the Bible, doubts several portions of the Bible, its people seldom mention the name of Jesus in social discourse, pride themselves in being good people, lack God’s love for lost souls, adhere to man-made traditions or rituals as though they have some sort of cleansing-of-the-soul power, have other priorities (idols) in this life.

By reading Jesus’ messages to the seven churches in Turkey near the beginning of the Book of Revelation, we get a good idea about what’s wrong and right with churches today.

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